Im sure you realise that that also would doubtless apply to people from The Village and even Furticks church. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. I was not picking on one church: you offered Matt Chandler as an example of how mega churches get it right and I was replying to that by urging caution. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! I might write a review later but the book is dreadful Mark Driscoll and Tim Keller, for example, are frequently careless and irreverent in the way they use Scripture. Really? It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. [18] He believes that scripture is inerrant and infallible because it is "the Word of God" and that God cannot lie. This was sourced through interviews with ex-Grace Community Church Elder Hohn Cho. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. You can find the details here. He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . So for me this is not about petty jealousies, nor anti-Americanisms, nor cheap shots at other peoples foibles in order to make me feel better. New International Version Sitting in a restaurant in Charleston, North Carolina, we were delighted to meet a group of four men, who included a young man from the UK, who was working for a church called Elevation in Charlotte. Please dont feel sad that someone disagrees with you. "[30] MacArthur holds to the dispensationalist school of premillennialism, a pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church, and a literal Millennium. Conclusion: And now I wait. Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. (Screenshot credit: Julie Roys/YouTube), Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. 23,12! What a waste of a fantastic talent. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. One other thing is that success can get to ones head. 38, 31-32). Cameron Buettel, Grace To You, Hillsong, Jeremiah Johnson, music, worship. Despite the considerable influence that they all had, they chose instead to publically endorse him. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. Citing Dallas Baptist because you knew a young man who went there. My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. The Good Contrary to expectations I am not one of those Calvinist ministers who automatically discounts any church which grows beyond a couple of hundred, as being a mega fake, doctrinally incorrect, pseudo church. I've carried one of these of an NAS with the New Testament, Psalms, and Proverbs with me for years and years, so that's why I wanted this to be the first one. So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. rm. But in this instance let me assure you I am not mocking. Hardly the same as Furticks message! The Bad Sadly, whilst every church has the bad, because we are all sinners and therefore infect any structure or organization we are part of, there are sometimes churches that go much further and wander away to the extent that one can hardly call them a church at all. 3) Yes you did engage in gossip writing about a child sex scandal without context.you may not see it as such. Your remarks were and continue to be misrepresentative, deceitful and sly. How easily the lure of money and outward success can lead a good man astray, and sadly take with him many people. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. That is grotesque manipulation and a parody of the Gospel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. 4) Wrong on all counts. I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. I think it is a good thing that a church grows within a decade from a hundred to 20,000 people and I would love that to happen in Dundee, or Edinburgh. God is everywhereeven in the news. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? If I were like that I would have to discount the Church at Pentecost! G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. These John MacArthur reckless faith quotes will make your faith stronger. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. An apologist and blogger is claiming that Matt Chandler's sermon was censored during a rebroadcast. They do things right. So far there has been no evidence given for assertion. Please do not excuse sin and blasphemy. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. "We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. - John MacArthur", "John F. MacArthur - The Master's Seminary", "MacArthur Appointed Baptist College Gets New President, Name", http://www.bing.com/search?q=When+was+the+MacArthur+New+Testament+Commentary+Series+completed%3F&go=%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AA%E9%80%81%E4%BF%A1&qs=bs&form=QBRE, "The Modern Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", "Reexamining the Eternal Sonship of Christ", "The Loving Husband: A Portrait of Christ", "Can Women Exercise Authority in the Church? You then accused me of muddying the waters by dropping in a bit of juicy gossip. I'm a bank robber. I agree that the greatest threat to the church comes from false teachingas you will know if you read this blog. Furtick preaches a different gospel. Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. Marantha! Eventually, all lawsuits were settled out of court with the County of Los Angeles and the State of California paying $400,000 each to Grace Community Church. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. In 1989, after some criticism, he defended his views in a plenary session of the annual convention of the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA). PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. John Fea | February 10, 2023 1 Comment. I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. It is wonderful stuff Matt and Tim Keller are two mega church US pastors who I listen to every week! Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. Paragraph. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. Despite concern from church members, Grace Community Church has assured the public that MacArthur is recovering and doing better. [11] From 1966 to 1969, MacArthur was hired as the faculty representative for Talbot Theological Seminary. issued his own declaration against the county, John MacArthur Warns Christians to Stop Making 'Alliances With Satan' in Remarks on Religious Liberty, Falsely Accused: John MacArthur's Grace Community Church 'Cleared of COVID-19 Outbreak', but Battle Rages On, 'It's Tyranny': Pastor MacArthur Will Get His Day in Court, Fighting CA Shutdown of Churches, Historic Win: John MacArthur Claims Victory in Lawsuit Over Church Restrictions, After Asbury Shutters Revival Services, Outpouring Moved to Lexington Arena: See Full Video Here, 'I Prayed in the Name of Jesus, and He Answered': Heroes Rescue 17,000 While 'Saving Aziz' in Afghanistan. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. Im sorry, but I didnt state that I had written to you in love, though I did try very hard to temper my comment to you. For what its worth, I fully support your stand in almost everything else. I kind of dreaded this type of response. However the issue that really gets to me is the money one. Paul Guay was a pastor at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) who had been molesting his daughter, Wendy since at least 1979. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. Sadly so. [21][22], MacArthur argues that modern "visions, revelations, voices from heavendreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out-of-body experiences, trip to heaven, anointings, miracles all false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit." Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. MacArthur told church members ahead of his sermon that many people contracted COVID and it probably went through our church in maybe December or January. The pastor said he and his wife, Patricia, enjoyed our own bout with COVID for about a week and a half.. I dont agree that its always wrong to mock (otherwise Elijah, Paul and Jesus were wrong), and indeed sometimes mockery has its place. [10], While at Bob Jones University in South Carolina, MacArthurs father recruited him to the Voice of Calvary singing quartet, often broadcast on Christian radio in Southern California. Your email address will not be published. The trouble is that because they have the money, the media and the power, they are able to have an influence far beyond their spiritual authority and gifts. 3) There is no point 3) other than it is a demonstration of your setting up a straw man in the hope you will have something to argue against. But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. ", MacArthur is married to his wife, Patricia. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. or redistributed. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he. [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. Required fields are marked *. If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. [4], The grandson of Canadian Anglican minister Harry MacArthur (died 1950) and son of Baptist radio preacher Jack MacArthur (born in Calgary, Canada)[5] and Irene Dockendorf, MacArthur was born in Los Angeles. David, you try very hard to always get the last word and I knew that the question you asked was loaded. Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. I Gotta Reply This Is So Pathetic, First Of All As A Leader In Christ Steven Furtrick Is A Good Pastor And If You Really Heard His Message ,He Is A Man Of God And He Only Speaks The Truth You That Are Workers Of Iniquity Be Sure That Youre Sins Will Find You Out Second Of All How In The Hell You Gonna Sit Here And Judge A Man Of God ..I Believe God Called This Man To Build His ( God) House And Get The population Ready For Whats About To ComeAnd Its Far More Then Noah And A Flood.If There Were Many Pastors Like Steven Furtrick In This World There Wouldnt Be So Much Hate And Crime And Killing Drugs Etc News People Why Dont You Start Digging In The People That Are Really committing crimes Stop Digging In Something You Know Nothing About Cause If You Really Knew How God Works . Im not sure though why I should apologise for my Amazon remarks? Whites equation of Chandler with Furtick being one such example, your comparison of Matt Chandler with Scott McKenna being another. Whatever its founding intentions, we conclude that the Proclamation Trust is now a compromised organisation committed to the flawed teachings and practices of New Calvinism. Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. Given that is neither what I wrote, nor what I think. A point you also mentioned. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. Radio Scotland Abortion Debate Edited Highlights, https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw, http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0, http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop, https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, Most Read Wee Flea Articles in 2017 THE BLOG OF DAVID ROBERTSON. And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. [2] He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in Santa Clarita and The Master's Seminary. During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. If you dont like it, too bad. The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. Name me one church that has handled everything well. The one I mentioned is a paperback and cost 3.50. You are just exporting your own. And the notion that radical Islam is going to defeat the gospel is just as daft. The point you made about Matt Chandler was that he does not live as a Christian (how can you know that? And they aint all wrong. To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. Its a sad fact that this nonsense is already here in Scotland supported by the new breed of self appointed apostles and prophets. People make millions selling sex, playing sports and funny you never hear the news say that is wrong. Its not the first time that youve responded aggressively when a pastor that you hold in such high regard is questioned. He states, "You must receive Jesus Christ for who He is, both Lord and Savior, to be truly saved (2 Peter 2:20). Grace Community Church, home to pastor-teacher John MacArthur, is located in Sun Valley, California and has been faithfully proclaiming God's Word since 1956. This is a really long post that deals almost exclusively, unfortunately, with secondary issues (church size, communications gifts, me focus, salary, wealth, size of house, and more) and thereby obscures the central and clarifying point of Furticks ministry. The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. Chandler only eventually took action as the wheels were about to fall off the Mars Hill bus and, sadly, only when great damage had already been done to the body of Christ. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. But cant we all recognize how difficult we find that? More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. Then there is the whole question of what the church is about. [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. "[34] Regarding eternal security, he states, "It should never be presented merely as a matter of being once saved, always savedwith no regard for what you believe or do. There is nothing that makes me believe in God and the Gospel more than the church in all its beauty, and there is nothing makes me doubt more than the church in all its ugliness. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. He spoke for an hour without notes and held his audience completely in the palm of his hand he is a brilliant orator using all the tricks of the trade. Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. You had already given your opinion about it before you had read it so you are being consistent at least. It appears this lawsuit is going in our favor, MacArthur said Sunday. I am happy though if you wish to withdraw your initial comments. The elders had publicly disciplined a woman for refusing . Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. In your second post you again make the false claim that I set Dallas against Chandler. Because your worth it! LOL! G White I am really sorry to read your last reply. There is nothing more basic than these. Have mercy! You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. In case you missed the news, Christianity Today is reporting on a pattern of spiritual abuse on John MacArthur's Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. The prominence of the pastor on the website, the Stephen Furtick ministries page, the common self-referrals and endless self-promotion of books/resources etc. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. "[37], MacArthur is an outspoken critic of same-sex marriage, the ordination of women, the Roman Catholic Church, and the social justice movement. They drift from church to church. "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. Yes, some of it is biblical and Furtick is a good communicator, amusing, connected etc.but a great deal appears to pay only passing lip service to the Bible. The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. An unknown man clad in black confronted Grace Community Church pastor John MacArthur during service on Sunday, Aug. av. You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. Sadly, however, there are also times when you use it to bully, abuse and browbeat. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. (function(d){var f = d.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT')[0], p = d.createElement('SCRIPT');p.type = 'text/javascript';p.async = true;p.src = '//widgets.wp.com/platform.js';f.parentNode.insertBefore(p,f);}(document)); on Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. Were deeply grateful for that. (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque All rights reserved. "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. However, I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. David, once again you are making assertions that do not stand scrutiny. In case theology and ecclesiology sounds almost too technical and dulljust remember we are talking about who is God, and what is his church? Finally, you make the extremely serious accusation that I have caused disunity in the body of Christ by calling Matt Chandler a false teacher and by comparing him with Scott McKenna; both accusations are totally false and completely unacceptable. John MacArthur is wrong about so much more than keeping women in abusive marriages. Opinion Mark Wingfield. Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). He is a ministry collaborator with . He is a ministry collaborator with TDJakes health and wealth and modalist ministry, he collaborates with Joel Osteens humanistic ministry and with Brian Hustons new wave prophecy ministry. If that is the last word then so be it. You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. Los Angeles County sued the church over its refusal to close down, and the church counter-sued, claiming that the County was violating rights to freedom of religion. It just looks weird. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. Firstly in the teaching. I will reply to them briefly. It was a fantastic balance of biblical theology and Christ centered worship. I hope this mature and open enough for you! And it's thewe call it the Shepherd's Testament; it has a little shepherd's rod on the front. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. He argues that "the battle for the beginning is ultimately a battle between two mutually exclusive faiths faith in Scripture versus faith in anti-theistic hypotheses. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. 4) Your last post just uses ad hom and tries to dodge justifying your original statement about Chandler by attacking me and what I have said, whilst giving not one concrete example. He did not say Timothy Keller is an anti-Christian preacher. As for the scandal yes I was aware of it. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. 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