And to hear that, its still got to be pretty tough to stand up to that, or at that point where you like, now I know the truth, Im moving forward. And we had consensus from everybody in the room that James McDonald was not qualified to as an elder and that his employment at Harvest Bible Chapel was over. And it was it was a battle in the natural, exposing James McDonald, the letters, the articles, everything. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. So Im deeply grateful for their faithful support. Then, referencing his arbitration with Harvest, in which he won about $2.5 million, along with all digital and physical assets of Walk in the Word, MacDonald writes: When we won the arbitration and regained access to our teaching ministry, it was in shambleslike a model plane that had flown so beautifully, being returned with report of a crash, when in reality an envious child had dashed it against the rocks just out of sight.. As I saw it, this letter of unconditional support was a huge and somewhat desperate PR move on James MacDonalds part, to say, hey, look, all our leaders stand with us, I must be okay. What do you give, he would have been removed from Harvest, theres no doubt. Because if he resigns, he gets up in front of the church, gets to spin things, and, you know, can probably relaunch somewhere else. Ive looked back at that email thread, Ron Duitsman who was the elder board chairman, resigned that day. Great! And we talk about that Scripture and quote it over and over again. The Roys Report is a Christian media outlet, reporting the unvarnished truth about what's happening in the Christian community so the church can be reformed and restored. Hes asking for money. I also knew that I needed to talk enough so that it wasnt like, well, this whats whats going on with him? And this is when everything really started happening. The elder board of Harvest Bible Chapel formally apologized to independent journalist Julie Roys and several former members, months after joining founder James MacDonald in a defamation lawsuit accusing them of publishing false information about the church's management and finances last fall. When I did, I told her letters were coming in, would she consider writing it. And I listened to it. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Yet, Dan, you owned it. Because it was still a time when many elders were not admitting any of the wrongs that they had done. I remember saying we got to pray. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. And so what Id like to do is just rewind a couple of years to fall 2018. Think of the godly ones youve known and thank God for them. A man of God who just wanted to take a vacation with his family, has the right to use church money which is his only source of income. So if you cant say anything, I mean, again, hes dismissive of the actual letters. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Great! So he was fired. Its not being nice, polite, or inoffensive. But he said when he and Scott Phelps and Barry Slebaugh went into a meeting with James in the summer of 2012, asking for, whats your salary James? But I think it was And anyway, hes fired. Right, so now you have this meeting that ends you know, Tuesday night meeting that ends in the wee hours of the Wednesday, February 6. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. . We got to pray. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader and was misleading us in a very unqualified way. After you guys. Julie, are you saying that you support trans mutilation/murder of pre-born children/and are against conservatives? Had they reached all the elders at this point? And again, Im going from memory, but also from what Ron Duitsman recently said. In June, he posted a picture with 2022 GOP gubernatorial nominee Kari Lake. Youre, youre characterizing it correctly. But to tell people they have to stay in a situation of violence, trauma and harm, or return to it, this is not a core tenet of Christianity. Patient, kind, not self-seeking. Ill write a statement. And we shouldnt be, you know, happy with standing in line and say, well, so and so said that, right? Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. It wasnt an argument. Its more of a social teaching of extreme patriarchal churches to protect and promote the power structure of who is God-ordained to be in charge. So I had a pretty good sense of what the meeting was gonna be from that point on. Thats about my attitude lately. I remember sitting on my couch waiting to press the button to publish it. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Julie Roys knows she published many false statements about me, false statements now proven such in a court of law, yet she has retracted nothing. But I think my kat has watched too much Kenneth Copeland. So far, I feel the leadership of my current church embodies this well. The whole crooked machine needs to be brought down. Dan and his wife, Kim, subsequently left Harvest, but remain committed to the integrity of the Church and caring for those who have been hurt in the Church. It was so much easier to read and understand. How much do you make? I wasnt looking forward to that. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Understandable. And you know, shepherds, I think of John 10, right, the the hireling runs away, the Good Shepherd stays. Still. Dan also was in numerous meetings with James McDonald prior to his firing. So Rick was, in effect, the Assistant senior pastor. That didnt happen. Julie Roys October 8, 2020. And this still disheartens me, because the people of Harvest, who we were supposed to be overseeing at that point, we were silent on that weekend, because we couldnt come to an agreement about what we would do. Yes, it is. And this is this was this was hard, but at the end of the night, we talked through it, we shared things from the letters. And I hope I hope that a lot of people have read that and they dont owe me anything, but I hope its been healing to them. Thanks that is hilarious!! And I want to help people lead the church well. I dont know whether its the way way down or the way back Id have to reread the letter, but I mean, they stopped and went to the DR,. She was a late comer to those of us who had been exposing MacD for a long time. Thats thats a much harder relaunch. Thank you Jesus, Amen. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Thats even though MacDonalds former megachurch, Harvest Bible Chapel, disqualified MacDonald from public ministry in 2019 for a pattern of sinful behavior.. But according to a recent email by MacDonald, he's a victim of defamation by an "envious child"and needs your money "to rebuild." "Tragically . I wish I didnt. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James MacDonald? So were in the meeting. And I remember a comment being made. Yes, yes. Also, if youre in the market for a car, I encourage you to check out my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. I believe the board was deceived by Satan. And I, the next day, I wrote and said, Well, okay, I respect your wishes. Because your article seemed to conflate all these things. @jamesmacdonald. Again, she was the the wife of Dave Corning who was an elder at Harvest for over 20 years, and telling her stories, and one of her stories was you know about pictures of her being put up on a on a wall as a target practice for James McDonald and her seeing this shot up with a pellet gun. Yeah Cynthia. And this was a spiritual battle. As youll hear in this podcast, there was a strong push to suppress those letters by those loyal to James McDonald. Jesus died on the cross for to take the weight of our sin so that we could be released from it. So at the end of the night, no one got the letters. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Search my early tweet history. And I knew that I needed to do something publicly. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. James Macdonald is a wolf and sadly so many have been fooled by this charlatan. I know a lot of people look at this. Hes not qualified. And Dan said it was just so unnerving. Voice of James MacDonald Believed to Be Featured in Vulgar Comments. What is the point of bringing this pastors political views into the story? The 8 Best Julie Roys Podcasts. Can you share what was in it? I really am so very sick of these self-righteous, insensitive, insulting church leaders who think they are the only ones who have a hardwire connection to God preaching on the subject of wives submit to your husbands while they leave out the husbands responsibility to love their wives as Christ loved the church. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet.. When Christian leaders continue to teach that abuse does not constitute biblical grounds for divorce they are wrong, Vernick wrote. And Dean Butters letter came in that way as well. And to give you the flavor of the meeting, when I walked in the room, and we all greeted each other, we were in the former executive pastors office around an oval table, and James McDonald sitting across from me. And whats so tough in this whole thing is that there are wolves among the sheep. I was at work. Very sad situation for James and the elders as well. Theres still one more thing I want to ask about. So he did that. And had those letters not reach the board, its hard to say where James McDonald would be today. So, Julie Roys decided to do what she does best - investigative journalism - in order to find out the truth in the world of m. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? And what happened and all the backroom meetings, private conversations and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? Well, and thanks so much for listening to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. On Thursday, the seventh, I got a text from one of the elders who said, Call me if you can before such and such a time. Gary, And I turned to Scripture, and I went to Psalm 32, where you know, the companion to Psalm 51, where Davids writing. Julie Roys is a veteran investigative reporter and founder of The Roys Report. I followed up with this text but Julie did not respond immediately to my request for a comment. But by the time we were done that night, the decision that night was two things. And Im just trying to smear him. So I mean, again, this was round. If the church wants to regulate marriage, let them say you cant get remarried in their church if you are already married in the eyes of the church. You dont know how I got ahold of them. Subscribe here for Pastor James' twice-weekly email devotionals straight to you inbox, plus occasional updates regarding his ministries, events, and personal news. He was the second longest tenured pastor at Harvest. And I thought, well, I got to read the letter. Hed been the senior pastor the whole time. Do you expect ANYONE to say yes to your question. Tell me about that meeting and what he did. Six people who I doubt wherever actually all in the same room. Please dont read something into a story thats not there. He was the senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, United States [1] [2] and was the host for the church's former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word . Why is it important to you to let people know what really happened? And you have James McDonald coming in, from the United States, getting off the plane for a little bit, doing a few meetings, which I guess he complained about doing. If hes fired, and its in the church is very clear on him being fired and disqualified for ministry. And I know I totally get what youre talking about. I remember going home, my wife picked me up, I went home, and I just laid on the couch and looked at her. And I remember, Julie, I was in that meeting that Tuesday night. You can review it. On that Haiti trip. When I did not immediately respond, MacDonald tweeted I had declined his invitation, which I did not. I mean, here he is in Haiti, thats just been wracked by an earthquake, unbelievable poverty and devastation. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader. She said a survey of 20,000 women for her book, The Great Sex Rescue, found that when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . The fruit which was souls coming to Christ was enormous. Maybe not as profoundly as somebody whod been involved so long, but it was powerful. However, an email that I got, that Duitsman had sent out and then it was leaked to me, said that what Duitsman was upset about was the fact that the elders were admitting that they had failed. One is, I dont want people to give up on the church. But he starts arguing process. I remember talking and saying, guys, were all going to give an account to the Lord one day for what were doing in this meeting. And everybody had to say, right? Yes, and I would add that baked into the command for husbands to love their wives is the definition of love in 1 Corinthians 13. And it was a pretty tough meeting. Who were all shameless self promoters. harmful to the best interests, Disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, continued his tirade against me and The Roys Report on Tuesday, repeatedly calling me #JRgossipslut and asserting that I am, According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. That was positioned as an attack from the start. Not all he said was false because then it would have been obvious to any discerning Christian. And then he apologized. And so really appreciate that and appreciate the time at which you did that. In our required Old and New Testament classes, we utilized the Oxford Annotated Bible. So this is going to be a fascinating podcast. I dont see that as absolving James McDonald. And the demands that James McDonald made to try to go home a day early. Just look at King David . This was months months later. We brought up several things from the letters with James McDonald that night, and he was just dismissing everything we brought up. Judson is located on a beautiful 90 acre campus just 36 miles northwest of Chicago. I mean just absolutely devastating stories and, and feeling the pain. And they started reading scripture about the qualifications of the elders. He scared me in bible college I wanted nothing to do with him. James MacDonald and Harvest: Years of Discord . Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. We turned out to have six witnesses who wrote 28 pages with innumerable charges. The Lord made it really clear. She keeps demanding I tithe to her and she will ask god to bless me. And if I can give you a context, where I was in my thought process, in that. I had asked one of the one of the people on the reconciliation team earlier that day, I said, Im going to go into a meeting with James McDonald and I need I need to have the letters I need to know. You are Julie. year. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. That would be acceptable teaching. So appreciate that and appreciate your humility. I agree that its loving to speak the truth, even when its unpopular, but the New Testament also has a lot to say about the way we conduct ourselves and how we should treat each other. And I was just, it was entertaining, you know, on one level, but on the other level, just absolutely tragic. Because Julie, I knew that, even if Id gotten the chance to read it in front of Harvest, which would have been really hard, but would have been healing to people. I remember praying before the Harvest Elgin campus as a garage, and its a former corporate space. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. They said no, for various reasons. Those are simply other examples of posts about controversial issues. Divorce is a civil remedy that is necessary when there is abuse, physical, emotional, financial, or even when people are incompatible. There were six people who were brave enough, vulnerable enough to write letters. Like this had been a months long drawn out battle. It was one of the big red flags to me, or I guess it was a yellow flag could have been a red flag, I wouldnt have done it. There was just an absolute refusal to rebuke him publicly. And we were at a stalemate. Dan currently is an executive and leadership coach and the founder of Front Seat Leadership. Come out of her, my people. I at least heard of it from somebody by that point. I just thought, yeah. And were talking about a private jet. It basically says Jesus is as real as Santa Claus. George of course evangelicalism is [anti-Christ] fundamentalism. If youd like to find me online, just go to Julieroys.com. . But its a story that needs to be toldand rememberedgiven that MacDonald is trying to relaunch his ministry in Chicago. That would have been December I think 18th, 2018. Again, only you and Mike Dunwoody, did that publicly. Jacob Ross, all the credit card that James used for personal expenses. Marin, He teaches that wives should endure abuse like a missionary endures persecution. But like you do what that says and the people responded as you hope Christians do. And I looked at it, and I could not read the whole letter in one sitting. 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The multi-campus Harvest Bible Chapel in greater Chicago along with founder James MacDonald, has slapped several former workers and independent journalist Julie Roys with a defamation lawsuit alleging the publication of false information about the church, its finances and governance that resulted in the loss of 2,000 members. Hear the dramatic and sovereignly orchestrated story of how MacDonalds actions finally came to light at Harvest. And at the end of the night, we looked around the room, we had talked through it. But according. He knows! Whether he was going to resign or have an opportunity to resign or, you know, terminate his employment was to be determined at that point. Sin has real consequences and sometimes those consequences are permanent. No, Julie Roys did not open the hood on James MacDonald, although she in her own hubris would like her audience to think that. 1) Julie Roys. pretty rotten.. Dr. John Street, the head of counseling at MacArthurs The Masters University, takes a harder line. From the overflow of your heart your mouth (and thumbs) are speaking. But before I dive into my interview with Dan, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of the Roys report, Judson University and Marquardt of Barrington. And I hadnt I hadnt signed that yet, I hadnt given a statement yet. It was a four hour meeting. Great! But to also say, this was this was my fault, too. But over there, you know, I, you know, six, seven people who had read the letters, probably more than that by the time, and we talked about what was in the letters. I was literally sitting in a hotel lobby waiting for a pickup at one oclock in the morning to catch an overnight flight back from India. But James McDonald, he did not like to fly with the commoners, from what I understand. And yet so many still have not and still waiting for James McDonald to do that. 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