Old Edlyn is equivalent to a 41.5, * **Winson Qilin** EU42 fantastic fit all round, * **Winson Stark** EU42 Great fit on an engineer, instep is high enough to slip and and off and there is only a bit of heel slip due to the shaped heel. Absolutely do not take it 1.5 down from Brannock like Viberg recommends. Maybe a little wide fitting but enjoyable and no breaking in required. It's a reasonably generous last. Simon wrote that it is expensive to add an extra width across all shoes. Our featured affiliate vendor of the week is a brand new affiliate vendor, the artisan Bespoke Shoemaker Szuba. Would you have any insight into the quality of the GC ready to wear versus C&J handgrade please? It is a smidge shorter than 2030, but that's due to the lack of taper. p.s. Although the quality is nothing to write home about, they are incredibly comfortable. MP/Barrie 9.5E: Excellent fit right out of the box with thick or thin socks. On the other hand, Meermins wont last you as long as Carminas will. Onderhound New Buteo 41.5: Volume is a little high, but the width and arch length are bang on. Everything I have is at the level of Crockett & Jones Handgrade or above, and most are Edward Green. And in pictures I can see a difference in appearance, at least in terms of shape and design, but I am not sure if there is much of a difference elsewhere (I get that bespoke and such will fit nicer). Its a comfortable, yet roomy fit. I'm interested in branching out from C&J to Carmina so I'll be paying attention to this thread. Carminas are better than Meermin shoes today because of one major thing: Better Material Quality. Do you know what thats down to? In addition to the Artista line you allude to, they also have a great customization program. Free shipping for many products! Fully bespoke shoes including trial pair start from about 550 depending on the exchange rate, and they offer ready to wear / MTO lines of various grades between 65 and 450. Perhaps if I lived in Spain I would got to a Carmina store to gauge their quality and service. However, after having broken in the heel of my 9.5E MP, I feel like I would have actually been just fine going straight 9.5E. Ive gradually moved more towards the Handgrade products, though not entirely, as the range of styles is more limited. Im a regular customer of both Jermyn Street shops and the customer service Ive consistently experienced over many years has been exceptionally good, significantly better than Ive experienced in some other, more expensive establishments that will be well known to readers of this blog. Although it may be difficult to clearly see from the photos online, could I ask what you think of their the last/design of their chukka boots? They make shell cordovan shoes and boots for under $450 (sometimes as cheap as $350 ), which is basically unheard of in 2019. Scotch Grain is particularly big and has its own production and stores, as well as being in department stores. Not a thick sock last. Easily the best of the budget shoes and whilst they dont match Crockett and Jones, they are not a million miles away. 7.5UK fits well with thicker socks. In addition they come in some very handsome styles. Unlike tailoring where fashions and preferences can change over time, given your taste and understanding of fit also develops, shoes are mostly immune to change. I shouldn't have slept on it), Monitaly Shawl Field Jacket - Black Herringbone 38, The unofficial NMWA Buy/Sell Thread (a.k.a. Thanks. Check the Noble Shoe eshop for several decent ones. Im trying to decide between the following two options: 1) Myrqvist Molle Loafers @ 151 per pair, 2) Trickers Elton Loafers @ 225 per pair (on sale). Compared to the HOK 9 and 2030 9.5 this started with the loosest heel, which lead to a bit of slop, but broke in with some wear. Alongside the quality of the leather, something thats lost at this lower price level is consistency. At least in the States, TLB comes in less expensive than C&J even after the customization upcharge and even if you select the higher-quality Artista line. JF main line would definitely be in Spain 1. Yes literally hard as rock but very nice looking in their box.. Agree Alan, buyer beware that they are extremely hard to break in. Viberg 2030D 9: The 9D is probably the best fit I have from Viberg, or tied with the 2040. I dont think either has changed in their quality, no. Common Projects Achilles and Bball: 43 are some of my best fitting shoes, especially the Bballs that have a little more toe room. From my personal experience, there has been a decline in quality in inverse proportion to price increases. Finally, its worth noting that they have a very robust MTO program where customers can customize lasts and detailing, and they also use a lot of crust calf, where other makers on this list (besides possibly the Asian ones) only use aniline. Carminas are more expensive than Meermin shoes, but they are also more valuable. Pinky toe pinches a touch, * **Meermin Bob** 8UK a hint loose at the heel, but snug at the forefoot, * **Meermin Elton** 8UK very snug to start, much more comfy now, * **Meermin Olfe** 8.5UK could've probably gone down to 8UK but is still pretty comfortable, surprisingly not too slippy. Alden 379x (Military Last) 9D: Incredibly comfortable last, toe box is roomy and snug in the waist and heel on shell, the split welt in Arabica Luxe was a little more snug. Im not sure who and why the person you talked with from Barker said anything else, but a quick visit to their website or just a Google will you show you that he or her were wrong. Alden Barrie: I can be comfortable in Bluchers in 8.5E. The customer service is great though! My 20 year old AS are still in great shape as are my relatively newer C&J With Meermins, you get a refined-classy style that is set to rule the modern scene. In the past, I would spend under $300 on an item without really thinking twice about it but once I started keeping track, I began to notice that all these expenditures (which were often impulse buys or prompted by sales) were adding up to several thousand dollars a year. I even got a pair of Lobb Chapels for 245 in 2009. Really useful local knowledge, thanks David. Also, as this pair is the kind of a pair of is, this hasn't been in the easiest environments. This is more than just the upper, but depending on the build, the leather insole will mold and compress to the foot. I wear a US10/UK9 and opted for a UK9, on Pepe's recommendation, and the fit is spot on. Unlined Carmina loafers. Please use this thread to list your sizing in various lasts compared to your Brannock size. I'll try to be fairly comprehensive Carmina shoes are better than Meermin shoes when all things are considered. Why spend 400 retail when you can get a great pair of shoes for half that? Carmina shoes have better soles than the Meermin shoes. Hi Simon, do you know if JM Westons shoes are at a similar level to Crockett&Jones Handgrade? A good pair of these would really satisfy your footwear style needs for a really long time. Have you ever tried or heard of Idrese? Joseph Cheaney are undoubtedly the thinking flaneurs cordonnier. Arch might be a little too aggressive for my right foot, but it should break in more. It's been a while, but I didn't have any complaints after break in. I own a pair of JL Lopez loafers (995) and a pair of Cheaney Lewisham (380) and with the exception of the fact that JL claim a hand stitched apron, I cant see any qualitative difference whatsoever. The soles are more durable, the calf leather takes polish better and ages better, elements of the make lead to extra comfort (as do the materials), the make is finer and so looks better, and so on. Seemed comfortable at first but the more I wore it, the more I realized it just doesn't work for me. Seems to be a popular thing to write now. Im looking to acquire a couple of pairs of tassel loafers (one dark brown suede and one black calf). Not sure I'd feel the same today. Rancourt 114 9D: Great fit sometimes. These shoes are classily elegant shoes that elevate the fashion style of the shoe wearer. But Carmina say they dont use them even though Jesper was told they do. I cant really comment Im afraid Sebastian, having never owned any. Finally somebody else who has experienced Meermin shoes as very hard to break in. Because of the great leather material of the Carminas, youll get yourself a pair of shoes that are bound to stand you out in the positive way.CARMINA LEATHER, Meermins, on the other hand, are made with premium leather materials ranging from hybrid calfskin leather materials to even Shell Cordovan leather.MEERMIN LEATHER. Low arches but not flat. But also, a lot of brands offer MTO with a different width at no extra cost, or only a small one. All Enzos were tried as oxfords and have comfortable insteps with no gap, * **Fugashin Saigon unknown wholecut last** 8UK comfortable, good instep for oxford, * **Gaziano Girling DG70** 8.5EUK comfortable. So for example, they now only curve the waist line on the inside of their shoe, and not the outside. And with the double-insoles system in place, comfort is guaranteed with Meermins. men's size 6D with my thickest socks; my dream would be a size 5.5 in this last: 6D Meermin Hiro Derby: 4.5: UK: . Makes buying difficult, much like with Vass. The class that you are getting for Carmina shoes is of real excellence. Even for me and I have narrower feet than the average man. both pairs have a dainite (or dainite-type, in Meermin's case) sole the Meermins have blind eyelets, whereas the Carminas have a brass eyelet that look to match the speedhook finish the heel on the Carminas is quite a bit longer than Meermin's the Meermins have four speedhooks and a pull tab, whereas the Carminas have three and forego the tab. Its just not possible.. I wear the same size in rain shell as in xim unlined. The double monks a little harder but getting there. Allen Edmonds Sizing to Carmina & Meermin Those that have Allen Edmonds and carmina or meermins, what size do you wear in AE compared to the others? Dress socks. I think Carmina sizing, at first, looks simple but if you read into it, there are lots of strange variations. When you see and feel the quality that you are getting with these shoes, Im sure that you will feel pleased with your expenses. **The older 2040s are tighter, because of the older style of heel pad, if you find it too tight I recommend considering swapping out the heel pads. Coming up on the PS Shop this Autumn/Winter, Tailoring for travelling: tough, comfortable, plain, So in order to create a frame of reference, I phoned Jesper Ingevaldsson, who writes the website, These are two of the best known shoe brands internationally, with Crocketts a British mainstay and, The English brands at this price level are, The level above that is made in Japan, and includes brands like, . Velasca is an Italian brand that has become popular (they opened on Chiltern Street recently) as has German brand Shoepassion (which makes in Spain). Carmina Simpson Chelsea boot - 9.5 UK. Hi Jesper, thanks for the clarification. This is what separates them from the suit debate. If you will be ordering from the Trickers website, I suggest going over the fine print. The US has several brands that fit into this discussion - some old, some new. Indeed, stylistically they are even quite close. If you can spend that extra 100-150 I sincerely recommend buying a pair of shoes from Carmina or TLB Artista. These insoles are advanced comfort systems that are meant to keep your feet comfy and cozy all day. * **Thomas George Popes** 7.5UK quite snug, grips heel well but pinches the toes a bit. A bit surprised that you had the experience with Berluti, they have a pretty good reputation. Cork-Injected Midsoles (Extra Comfortable). and maybe as far as a 37 in the Tanino, though that is a very rare size. Take a ruler and measure between the base of the paper to the marked line. Great Stone Alexander 8.5D: Mostly great fit but too much heel slippage. Carmina shoes are more comfortable, flexible, and relaxing than the Meermins. Should fit most people TTS. At Styleforum, youll find rousing discussions that go beyond strings of emojis. Former Affiliate Vendor Threads; a Locked Forum. Looking at the Genova last. Good arch support, toe box is low, but not too low, and just an all around comfy fit from day 1. Vans Old Skool/Era: 11D, solid out of the box. The heel is the most notably roomier and the length actually seems to be the same. Has the quality of Crockett & Jones gone above Carmina lately? Ive mostly moved to bespoke now due to my weird feet, but I do own a pair of Morjas suede chukkas that I use in bad weather. CNES has a larger range of casual shoe styles off the rack but Fugashin is more refined with better hand details and more elegant last shapes. As you mentioned, the C&J sole is flat and not very detailed, but the leather is thick but very supple and significantly more comfortable than any other shoe I have over the course of the day. If I have fit issues, it is usually due to rubbing on superolateral aspect of the right 5th toe. I appreciate that it takes time and skill and thus affects cost, it just doesnt matter a ton to me as it doesnt have a meaningful effect on how the shirt wears or looks. The instep is high, but massive on the service boot pattern. Alden TruBalance 9D: Its just so good. They are never mentioning it, but the leather is bookbinded. Asics GT2000: 11 - Perfect fit. Thanks Simon, great work as always. Not least their finer ranges are really nice IMO. Thanks for this, Simon. Meermin US UK Narrow. Boot socks. Worn with normal dress socks. I realise this may seem like a simple choice, and maybe thats exactly what youll say, but Im only 25 years old and money is definitely a consideration. These would be an excellent fit if the toe box was a bit wider. But whats my experience, and I know for many others as well who have good bespoke shoes, is that the experience of wearing them, with the snug comfortable fit, excellent arch support etc, widely triumph wearing RTW/MTO Goodyear welted shoes. I typically shy away from the lighter browns etc.. and thought this might be a good alternative and could be quite versatile. Altra Lone Peak 3.5: 12D, weirdly enough. Career and job listings in fashion, mens clothing, Reviews of Classifieds and classifieds sellers, No Man Walks Alone - Official Affiliate Thread (a.k.a. As a simple example, in the UK the price of Consul, a black calf, toe-cap Oxford will increase from the current price of 495 to 720. * **Gaziano Girling TG73** 8.5EUK comfortable but slight pinching at pinky toe, * **Grant Stone Leo** 8.5D super comfortable boot last, bit roomy, * **Joe Works JOE-0** 8UK instep too low - v gap in oxford laces, * **Loake Capital** 8UK snug with room at the toe, perfect fit, * **Lof and Tung S** 8UK great fit though instep is perhaps a bit high, * **Mattina N** 42EU Great fit with little to no heel slip, instep is like Loake Capital/Carmina Rain, * **Mattina C** 42EU Great fit with little to no heel slip, instep is like Loake Capital/Carmina Rain. Interesting that not many people would know that though. Carmina Forest Oxford and Blucher - 9.5 UK. High volume last with somewhat narrow toe box. Any feedback from you on this brand. At C&Js benchgrade level, you can choose from black or chestnut calf (both with a leather sole), or brown suede with a rubber sole and youre limited to their 348 last. Hence, vanity wins (maybe). For a RTW offering, without additional charge, that is a massive advantage for anyone wary of shelling out for MTM alternatives, and I would have expected something worth telling readers. Grant Stone Leo 9D: Great fit all around. Perhaps Alden, which usually has the option for lots of widths? I just don't love Rancourt's boot patterns and overall build. While not terribly drastic, this feature requires a bit more toe box space. So if you wear for example UK10 in your Meermin we recommend UK9,5 in . I wrote an article about it many years ago on the Swedish version of Shoegazing (before English was launched) which, to summarise, had the conclusion that its down to vanity. Ive found one Cheaney last with a wide toe box that works for me by sizing down so that the heel fits but very little success with other makers. In fact at some point I wondered whether you were being protectionist of Northampton makers by apparently shunning AE, but then I could not see anywhere else that could be like you. regards judging quality by calf not suede? My right foot always had some heel slip even with the laces pulled very tight and a tongue pad. Trickers 4497s: 8.5 is a little too short, while 9 feels too big in most pairs. They also have thin rubber soles throughout, which some people like more, but is cheaper as well.. Thursday Vanguard 9.5D: Toe box is a bit tapered for my liking, but overall fit is so-so. I loved the MTO experience there. 1. Vass (via Ascot) here. They look nice to me, but as I have only been buying shoes from British shoemakers, I am unsure whether their last may look showy or unusual comparison. Focus were on shoes below 300, Carlos Santos nowadays is a bit above that, but definitely good for the price. !!! No worries at all, its much appreciated. Interesting to hear you sized up for Simpson when based on your description above you Could probably have stayed on an 8. Rancourt's lasting seems very inconsistent. Carminas guidance is down by half for shell or for unlined , in all lasts. There are many places out there that have discussions about shoe sizing across brands and lasts, but I wanted to get a thread started here as well. Unstructured toe box feels a touch low, * **Yanko 955** 7.5UK fits snug but comfortable with thin socks to start. Rancourt 800 9D: Great fit. I have Meermin boots and happy with the quality. I have room for my toes, but my foot isnt rattling around. Still fine for the price point, as this piece suggests, but the quality control is miserable. Its just the next level up. meister Stylish Dinosaur Joined Feb 10, 2007 Messages 10,772 Reaction score 2,515 Dec 28, 2011 #9 Even though mine are lace-ups, breaking in has actually been very easy and I also feel like they are totally worth the money. Really appreciate the advice. Thanks for the informative post. Worth asking. The price range for Meermin loafers is $165 for women and $175 for men. I absolutely could not go a half-size down. Aha, I see. Foot extends past footbed on sides, narrow waist causes some bowing. I could wear these with my really thick winter socks if I wanted to. With shoes, up to a certain quite high price point, you get what you pay for and further this is possible to judge objectively. Theyre a solid make with a little paid for the brand, and decent value in the States - though not elsewhere, where duties make them much more expensive. Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today! JavaScript is disabled. 65 last 10D: Bad fit. Toe box is comfortable but not a lot of play, heel is well locked in. You must log in or register to reply here. For reference, previous sizing threads 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 for extra data points. Here the belittling is by Jesper, but somehow feels like follow-through of the same swing. They wear down quickly.. I have four pairs from them that cover all my needs and they are definitely as good as John Lobb who charge you over twice the price. I just had the opportunity to try on some Carminas in store. I am surprised that you didnt cover Italian brands in more detail given their popularity. Since its a smaller area than bespoke tailoring, its even more sensitive for these things. I'd probably be good with a 10E. I guess they are really strong in the marketing department indeed. There are many brands in that segment, such as Joeworks or October Tenth, that I think might appeal to a fair number of PS readers. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, This is an example of what a good comment looks like. Off sale they come in at about 380 per pair (sale price 225) and they have a great re-furb service where for 80, theyll send them back to you as good as new. So much so, that one of the heels fell off during normal use. Jack & White Bros Round Last 9: Probably the best fit now. **Renav has inconsistent sizing it turns out. I would also like to mention that apart from PS, I also read Jesper Ingevaldsson, who was featured in this article, (www.shoegazing.com) and Justin FitzPatrick (www.theshoesnobblog.com). Ive been reading a lot of menswear sites/blogs for years and this is one of the few that does not feel like sponsored content when you read it. The nicest pair of shoes I own is a pair of JM Weston oxfords (from their main line, not the Blake line), and I have to work to tell the difference between the two (Weston has shaped heels, for example). Im keeping an eye open for Skomaker Dagestad Yamagata make-ups in the future. Thursday Captain 9D: Felt too tight on the instep brand new. I feel much less tired in my feet after a long day, and if one have a bit problematic feet it will be an even bigger difference. Its a bit funny though that you state I do arbitrary claims, when you yourself lift the examples you do, without backing it up with anything. Meermin shoes are affordable but also very sturdy and premium-grade. Unless there is also a considerable increase in quality, Id say this reposition leaves Church as even less of a value for money option. I do appreciate your recommendations to other blogs/websites/magazines as its not always easy to spot good work in the vast numbers of style websites. The main concern for me is finding a last shape that fits my high instep and once I find that last I stick with it. 9US is too generous, * **Red Wing 8 last (iron ranger)** 8.5D a bit snug on the sides of the mid foot, might've gotten away with 8.5E, * **Rider Boot 42 last** 9D comfortable fit, but lowish instep at the top makes it hard to put them on without shoehorn, * **RM Williams Comfort Craftsman** 8G with a little heel slip, * **TLB Mallorca Alan** 8F UK generous without being overly roomy. And of course I could be wrong, but still believe theres something behind it.

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